Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

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Re: Catching up with Layden / Big East with Frank, A10 ?

Postby le » Sat May 16, 2020 9:55 am

Gotta "pay" to play ! Absolutely re Blaise, Deane and Frank L.

If Blasie stayed, IMO, we'd have a couple of National banners, be in a different league, would be playing in a much-expanded Dwyer Rink, applications would be up 25%-30% annually and on-campus housing would be full. How many small schools have a chance to punch significantly above their weight class and win in two sports?
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Re: Catching up with Layden / Big East with Frank, A10 ?

Postby le » Thu May 21, 2020 9:51 am

One last comment. NU was 19-12 in Frank's last season (1975-76) with a very competitive schedule playing SBU, SJU, SU, Pitt, Umess, San Fran, BYU, Providence, Depaul and Lasalle. We lost to Kentucky in the NIT @ MSG in a fairly competitive game; 67-61.

Obviously, the program starting tanking in 1977-78 during Dan Raskin's second year due to sub-par recruiting and the lack of retention of key players. Raskin went 10-13 in 1976-77 with several close losses. One would assume Frank have won at least four of these contests. If Frank had stayed, his momentum would have carried over into the 1977-78 seasons when Dave Gavitt began organizing the formation of the Big East. My uneducated guess is based on Frank's influence/stature especially with DG, the AUD, combined with our soaring enrollments, NU probably would have been extended an invite.

Niagara at the time brought as much to the table in terms of on venues, markets and success on the court compared to Uconn and Holy Cross. Uconn was 17-10 and 11-15 under very mediocre Don Perno in 1977 and 1978, playing all games at their run down field house. Holy Cross had a better record than UConn under George Blaney, but played all games at their "small" on campus barn in "Worcester. " I do get the storied history of Cousy and Heinsohn along with Blaney's kinship with Providence. Ditto Uconn, Prov was their arch geographic rival during Dee Rowe's storied coaching career.

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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby anderson » Thu May 21, 2020 10:36 am

The BE was created not for your arena or your enrollment it was for the size of you TV market. Buffalo’s was not big enough.
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby le » Thu May 21, 2020 10:59 am

Worcester and Storrs CT were not part of the NYC and Boston markets back then. UC had a very low profile in 1977. I know cause I LIVED THERE for 55 years.
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby efkay2u » Thu May 21, 2020 3:09 pm

As for the Buffalo market being too small, while the Buffalo market is currently around no. 50 in the U.S., 1) it was MUCH larger in 1978 AND bear in mind across the Niagara River lies the Niagara Peninsula, the Greater Toronto Area and Southern Ontario . For as long as television has been in BUffalo, Starting 1948 when WBEN channel 4 signed on even before there was CBC TV in Toronto the Buffalo market has been and is still an integral part of the GTA market.

When Buffalo was trying for an National League Baseball expansion franchise in the early 90's, Bill WHite of the N'L' quipped that all Buffalo needed was a million more people, oblivious to the millions of Canadians right across the river. The Bisons eventually passed on a franchise in favor of affordable ball in the form of AAA however the fact remains that 25% of the Bills season ticket base in Canadian and there are a large amount of long suffering Sabres ticket holders in Ontario

ALso I doubt if TV market size had anything to do with Syracuse getting into the BIG EAST, but the promise of a domed stadium loomed large in the decision .
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby le » Thu May 21, 2020 3:44 pm

Right .

Buff was MUCH larger in 1978 A


Metro Buffalo had a population of over 1 million with two pro sports teams. Metro Hartford had a population in the 600,000-700,000 range with one pro sport team, the Hartford Whales of the fledgling WHA. Metro Hartford DID NOT become part of the NYC "MSA" until the late 90's. UConn appeared on public tv occasionally. Also , Worcester wasn’t part of the Boston MSA at the time as well.
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby Eagle » Thu May 21, 2020 4:21 pm

The Buffalo-Niagara Falls metropolitan area has a combined population of about 1.3 million and the 49th largest in the U.S.

The larger Rochester urban area has about 720,000 residents while the metropolitan area has a population of 1.08 million, which makes it the 51st largest metro area in the U.S

Ontario has a population of 13,000,000 people (94% from Southern Ontario) with Toronto at 6,000,000 and all within 1.5 hours drive of NU and Buffalo.

Further, the Ontario Ministry of Finance projects Ontario’s population to grow 34.4% to 17.7 million by 2036. [/b]Niagara will still be the closest US school to that rich demographic with Canisius and UB very close as well.

15,000,000 million people within a T-shot to all three schools which are also the closest of any US schools.

In addition, the Buffalo-Niagara Falls MSA (Erie and Niagara Counties) has a population (2010 census) of 1,135,509 which is also part of the Great Lakes Megalopolis containing an estimated 54 million people, and all within a day’s drive from Buffalo
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby anderson » Thu May 21, 2020 8:36 pm

This is me throwing up my hands because NU alums love to talk the talk but look at the donation list and we sure don’t walk the walk. Maybe just maybe if some of you from the wonderful 60’s and 70’s anted up you would of had your beloved BE. But in true NU fashion you talked while Rome burned. Let’s leave NU to what it is a nice school that produces social workers, teachers, and restaurant managers. Is 70 percent female on fringe of East Coast minds.
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby MICKEY » Thu May 21, 2020 10:12 pm

I think your next to the last sentence says it all. Niagara never produced the big money guys who can write out that seven or eight figure check that can make a real difference. We don’t have the guy or gal who says “here’s 10 million, now go fix the lower level” or “me and classmates just raised 20 million towards fixing Dwyer”. Or may be we do and they’re just not interested. The largest one time gift from an alumnus is $5 million from Jerry Bisgrove ‘68 in the last campaign. The largest overall gift was also in the last campaign, $10 million from a non alum Tom Golisano. Now a fair question might be, “why hasn’t Niagara produced a number of big money alums”? Or “why are those that can, not”?
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Re: Catching up with Layden / NU to Big East with Frank

Postby jhart » Thu May 21, 2020 10:21 pm

To the last ignorant comment, we 60's and 70's guys and girls were fighting a f..king war ! A ...From a infantry captain!
Crawl into a hole!
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